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Декември 13, 2019, 22:50:14
Отговор #10

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To the topic initiator-
- We discuss here some technical details and suggestions about this homebuild, and when, hopefully, we are ready with the final and possibly most accurate conclusion /we also await main info from one bulgarian tech historian/, we will write that to you translated.

Декември 14, 2019, 00:49:13
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Thanks for the info guys, very impressive how self-sustainability was encouraged at such a level that made building cars more than just a hobby. I believe that these socialist countries were lucky to have this massive diversity of vehicles and creativity which is so interesting to research nowadays.

I understand from your posts that you see this car as a mish-mash of Western (French) and Soviet parts, and I agree. The 3-lug wheels match with a Renault,



But unlike Renaults, this car looks rear-wheel drive as you and one of our members suggested because the front wheels lift while the car turns.

I initially thought that the tail lights are from Fiat 850 but didn't think of ZAZ. Might as well be. Looking forward to more info and opinions.

I should have linked to the documentary as well. Here it is:


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« Последна редакция: Декември 14, 2019, 01:24:55 от kegare »

Декември 14, 2019, 01:25:50
Отговор #12

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Dropping a link to: http://www.allcarindex.com/search/country/Bulgaria/?f=1&i=mod where some other homemade Bulgarian cars are listed. But sadly not this one.
« Последна редакция: Декември 14, 2019, 01:40:09 от kegare »

Декември 14, 2019, 02:15:21
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But unlike Renaults, this car looks rear-wheel drive as you and one of our members suggested because the front wheels lift while the car turns.

I initially thought that the tail lights are from Fiat 850 but didn't think of ZAZ.

Most like this prototype was based on platform of the rear-engine models Renault 8/10. They were produced for a short time in late 60's here at Plovdiv city, Bulgaria, under license from Renault. This plant produced even a several pieces of Alpine A 110, under the brand name Bulgaralpine.
For the rear lights I also think, that they're from rear engined Fiat 850 Sport coupe, that also was produced in Bulgaria, Lovetch town at "Balkan" plants in late 60's  /trade mark Pirin-Fiat/. 20 years ago I've owned such car myself.
I''m waiting  for more info from our biggest car historian Ivan Kolev, chief editor of the "Retro classic" car magazine.
« Последна редакция: Декември 14, 2019, 02:31:49 от krankenstein »
Теория - това е, когато знаеш всичко, но нищо не работи.
Практика - това е, когато всичко работи, но не знаеш защо.

Декември 15, 2019, 00:17:53
Отговор #14

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Regarding the car construction and origin, if I can summarise the bulgarian language posts, the most plausible opinion until now seems to be, that this particular vehicle was something of a freestyle exercise, or test bed, made by some of the engineers and techicians, which have worked in our Bulgar-Renault plant, in the early 1970s.
For this conclusion, speaks also the colour of the registration plate, which indicates that this vehicle is government owned. If that is the case, the photos /and the movie/ in which are visible the set of wheels from Renault 17, may have been made later in the life of the car, so in mid to late 1970s, possibly the wheels were then added to the car.

In the short period in the movie around 4.30 min, exacly before the entrance of the homemade car, most of the other visible cars are very famous bulgarian rallye cars from the beginning of 1970s.
So I suppose, the homemade car was used for something of a demonstration run, before the actual start of one of this big bulgarian rallyes in the period.

Dropping a link to: http://www.allcarindex.com/search/country/Bulgaria/?f=1&i=mod where some other homemade Bulgarian cars are listed. But sadly not this one.

Thanks for the link, there is some photos, which I havent seen until here.
On the fourth photo is seen a vehicle, which represents one of the few bulgarian attempts of making a pure sports car, during the socialist period.
in this case, the two seater mid-engined Sofia Type B. /The exists a predecessor- Type A, which was was some kind of d Buggy, and Type C was also an open topped preasure car/.
In all, there have been built around 7 or 8 full complete cars Sofia B cars, in the period from 1984 to 1992, or something.
At least, this is my observation from back than. The Sofia B main constructor and boss of the small government-funded firm, which build those cars, was the late eng. Velizar Andreev.

During my study in one technical gimnasium in the capital Sofia in the mid-1980s, I was able to spend two summer holidays, working different things on number 2 to number 4 built, Sofia B-s.
Here on the 4-th photo you see number 1 or number 2 built Sofia B, because only the two firstly built cars, have this allmost upright A-pillar on the front window. All the next cars from this small batch of Sofia B-s, were with more slim looking and normally cambered A-pillars.

Interesting footnote on this photo, which is taken on the street in front of the house of the constructor eng. Andreev, are the two Volga-s, GAZ-24.
These were the two regular personal cars of the engineer, and on the white one, he have forcefully cut the metal roof of the car in 1985, so he drive in style, in the hot summer of this unforgetable year.

Interestigly, the structure of this GAZ was so strong, even for a car without chassis, that it didnt collapse immidiately, and was still drivable after couple of years later.
« Последна редакция: Декември 15, 2019, 00:35:46 от USfan »

Декември 17, 2019, 20:38:54
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Това е прототип, направен в завода на Булгаррено в Пловдив, след като е спряно там производството на колите. Казва се "Юбилейна". Цялата каросерия е стъклопластика, на принципа на Алпина. Заден двигател 1300 кубика(Лада) и скоростна кутия и заден мост от ЗАЗ.  Общата дължина е 302 см и височина 105 см. Имала е регистрация до 1980 година , а е показана в завършен вид през 1974-5 година.



Everyone can buy a new car...
Real man keeps old ones running!

Декември 17, 2019, 20:49:48
Отговор #16

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Супер, благодарим за инфото.
Сега ако може някой колега съзнателен фен,  :)) да бъде добър да преведе на топик-инициатора на английски тия данни, че баш сега аз няма да мога.

Декември 17, 2019, 23:54:03
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Информацията е изчерпателна, само размерите не ми се връзват 302 см дължина  е малко вероятна, а височината 105 см е невъзможна.

Декември 18, 2019, 12:20:30
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Това е прототип, направен в завода на Булгаррено в Пловдив, след като е спряно там производството на колите. Казва се "Юбилейна". Цялата каросерия е стъклопластика, на принципа на Алпина. Заден двигател 1300 кубика(Лада) и скоростна кутия и заден мост от ЗАЗ.  Общата дължина е 302 см и височина 105 см. Имала е регистрация до 1980 година , а е показана в завършен вид през 1974-5 година.

Thanks for the research.  :)
'Yubileina' made at Bulgarrenault plant with some local parts, you say? The microcar proportions and the ZAZ rear axle are a bit puzzling. Can a Zaporozhets axle accomodate a 3 lug nut Renault rear wheel? Why wouldn't they just use a Renault axle? Do you happen to know the purpose of the prototype?
I hope my questions make sense once translated.
By the way, this documentary was released in 1974 as per the credits, so the filming must have been done prior to that.


Супер, благодарим за инфото.
Сега ако може някой колега съзнателен фен,  :)) да бъде добър да преведе на топик-инициатора на английски тия данни, че баш сега аз няма да мога.

Don't worry about that, Google Translate does wonders.  :)

Информацията е изчерпателна, само размерите не ми се връзват 302 см дължина  е малко вероятна, а височината 105 см е невъзможна.

Those proportions are indeed questionable. What is described is a car shorter than the old Morris Mini and approximately 35cm less tall.  :o
« Последна редакция: Декември 18, 2019, 13:19:03 от kegare »

Декември 18, 2019, 14:50:22
Отговор #19

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Юбилейна means anniversary. Tha car is named so most probably in honor of the 30th anniversary of September 9, 1944.